I am a salon owner and curly specialist. After years of searching for a product that would work on 4a-4c hair and struggling to find anything that would hydrate and not dry out or flake. I met Curtis as we both were being certified by Deva Curl. And I’m so glad I did! This product is amazing! It hydrates all curls scene 4c, and leaves curls looking defined and shiny! And best yet no flakes. I currently carry all his products in our salon and it flies off the shelves! Absolutely recommend! And the foam is great on wavy curls!